Updates: Christa Pike, Lindsay Clancy, Linda Henning, & the End of the Olney Search

In the fall of 2002, a former fashion model named Linda Henning sat in a courtroom in Albuquerque while the state of New Mexico tried to have her executed. Not a figure of speech, it was a capital case. She was the first woman in New Mexico since statehood to face a jury that could sentence her to death. The state said that she helped her boyfriend murder his aranged wife, a tiny bank teller named Girly Chu Hosen Coff, whose body has still never been found to this day.

The state had blood on the carpet, hair on the duct tape, a boyfriend who'd already taken a plea, and a jury that convicted her. And according to a judge who ruled on it a few days ago, Linda Henning didn't believe that she was on trial for murder at all. She believed that she was being prosecuted because she had golden discs, mysterious golden discs that the government wanted back. She sat through opening statements. She sat through the DNA. She sat there while her own boyfriend took the stand and told a story about a vial of blood that he kept in his refrigerator.

She sat there for the guilty verdict. And the whole time in her head, this was about magical golden discs. 24 years later, a judge looked at that record and said the obvious thing out loud. You cannot help your own lawyer defend you if you don't believe that you're accused of the thing you're accused of. The judge called the trial an absolutely overwhelming miscarriage of justice and she threw the conviction out. And this last Friday, that same judge let Linda Henning out of prison. So now Albuquerque gets to answer a question that no one even expected to be asking in 2026.

What do you do with a 73-year-old woman who just walked out after 27 years in custody, a killing with no body and a verdict that just completely evaporated? And then before we get there today, we're going to talk about the search of the only house because it's officially over and no human remains were found. A judge just shut down the Lindsay Clancy bid to investigate the hold out juror. And then Christa Pike, the woman my state of Tennessee tried and failed to execute right here in Nashville and how she's now walking and talking again.

I'm Robin, y'all. This is We Saw the Devil. Let's get into it.

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Hello everyone and happy Sunday. Hope you guys are having a good one. I apologize for the slower pace of than normal of new episodes. I have been quite busy, quite busy over the last couple weeks. If you're a Patreon, we'll talk about it in the Patreon episode, but know that I have been insanely slammed. And I just want to give a really quick format note on this particular episode because this is going to be a fourtory news episode. There's a lot going on right now. I will do a separate update for the Matthew Farwell trial.

And there is actually not going to be a reality check at the end of this episode either. I know some of you guys have told me that you treat the reality check like some sort of multivitamin that you take on the way out the door. I don't know. I feel you though. I I saw the news today that they are I thought this was an internet meme, but I saw that we are our government is quite literally considering nominating Nicki Minaj for press secretary. And I just want to self- emilate y'all.

I like what fresh hell are we living in? If you're not living under a rock, there's also the Jared Kushner news. Like the only good news that I've gotten I don't know how many of you guys are on threads. I've spoken in the last couple episodes about how obsessed with threads I am. I've become just to read just reading the snark and there was this woman who you you know the drill straight woman had a husband he he worked from home they had two or three kids she was watching them and he was like go get me a double espresso and she said okay well I'm also busy but sure let me you know take all my kids load them up and go get you a a coffee at dinner time and so she did brought it back and he was like that's not enough I asked for a doubled and she thought that it included four shots.

I don't know. It was this whole [ __ ] mess. Anyway, she made an announcement today that she is in fact getting divorced and she's gay. So, good for her. Good for her lady. That's like the only positive note that I have. Also, um the band Like Roses, I posted about it on my personal Instagram, but I love this band and they just came out with another record and for me it's album of the year, so I have been blasting it nonstop. If you guys were into Paramore in the early 2000s, that's kind of the vibe that they give off.

And they are absolutely excellent. They came out with basically what I consider album of the year. I cannot stop listening to it. It's been out for two days now. And if you're into that sound, the kind of punk pop type of thing or pop punk, whatever. I was never really into that genre. But this album is like that but the adult version of it and it's so good. So check out Like Roses again. They just dropped a new album. I am obsessed. And yeah, I don't really have much to say.

We're coming up on Halloween, y'all. And I always, always, always, always do either a horror movie episode for Halloween and invite Iris on or some sort of Halloween. I It's just too cliche to do and I think kind of exploitative and gross to do a Halloween case episode. So, if you guys have any suggestions on what you would like me to put out for Halloween content as we are coming up fast on it, let me know. Uh, Patreon patrons obviously get first dibs. I'm going to post and um make a post in the Patreon group and uh inquire.

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My personal account is robin_wd. Facebook we saw the devil. Twitter we saw the devil. And that's I mean are are you noticing a theme here? All right. Probably. Y'all are very smart. I know that you can figure it out, but let's just go ahead and get into it and go to Philadelphia. We're going to start actually with the only case, okay? Because I think we all had a lot of expectations going into this. And let's just go ahead with the short version for those of you who might not be aware.

You know, in June, okay, this past June, a man by the name of Eugene Horsch was arrested near Independence Mall in Philly with guns, fake federal credentials. Uh there was also a woman in the carrying the ID of a missing woman by the name of Blair Tanzelli. And so that arrest led police to 417 West Chu Avenue. Okay. It's located in. And Eugene shared this home with his late father Raymond, better known as RC Raymond Horsch. RC Hors. And he was a violent I mean pornographer really. but he died back in 2025 and police sources are now calling him a suspected serial killer.

Inside that house, police have found more than a million images and videos. More than a million. And the last I mean they found this months ago and there's still last I saw only like 45% or so through that. I haven't gotten a recent update. Hopefully that'll come out soon. But you know, seven women have been connected to this house. Seven women who are missing. uh five of whom police believe are in fact dead. They actually found at least one video showing what they believe to be a murder of one of these women, but no bodies have been found.

Now, that's the recap. All right, so here's what's happened since the last time we spoke. Monday, October 12th, investigators worked into the night all through the night inside the house with Luminol. I believe that that was the last update that I gave on that. Okay. And I do I do this every single time I have to mention luminol. Guys, I got to give you a little a little quick science lesson, okay? Because I feel like luminol specifically gets so [ __ ] oversold on television. Luminol reacts with the iron and hemoglobin.

All right, that's the protein in your red blood cells. And when luminol interacts, it gives off a faint blue glow. It's extremely sensitive. All right. It can pick up blood that's been cleaned, scrubbed, painted over, 50 years old. Now, it's also not picky, okay? It reacts to bleach. It reacts to some metals like copper. It reacts to some plant materials, too. So, a glow is nothing more than a lead. All right? It's not like on television or on cop shows where the second something shines, people are like, "Blood." You know?

Now, police sources told Philly news stations like CBS, NBC, and the reaction was positive. And CBS reported that the testing showed human DNA in several locations around the home. And I know that sounds huge, okay? And it might very well be, but NBC put the necessary asterisks on it because Raymond Horsch lived there, Eugene Horse lived there, other people lived there over the years, particularly women who were down on their luck in active addiction. sex workers as well. All right. Finding human DNA in a house that humans lived in for decades, especially Sidi humans, is like finding a flower in a bakery.

All right. So, the question is never whether there's human DNA. The question is who's, where, what kind of fluid it came from, and whether it lines up with any of the seven women who are missing. And that testing, the testing that actually matters here is actually still pending. Okay, so that's the house. That's what we're at with the where we're at with the house. Then they went outside. So, also that same week of the 12th, crews tore down a shed in the backyard and started digging.

And this wasn't just a a backhoe tearing up a lawn. All right? They quite literally did an archaeology dig. All right? Like they started siphoning through dirt. They put the dirt onto tarps. Tarps went into buckets. The buckets went, you know, under a tent. And they actually had FBI agents sifting the dirt by hand. I mean layer by layer down about three feet into the yard. They were also pulling soil samples at different spots and different depths. And that does actually matter because investigators actually believe that RC Horsche used alkaline hydraysis or basically known as chemical uh cremation, which I've covered before.

If you can't find bones, right, you look for chemistry. All right? And RC Horsche had a huge meth lab in the basement of that house as well, remember? With all the chemical drums and all of that [ __ ] Um, absolutely wild. But keep in mind, y'all, scientifically, like soil remembers what gets poured into it. And the yard did actually give some things up. A source told CBS that they found possum carcasses near the house. They found the remains of an old brick outouse. Welcome to Philadelphia row home archaeology I guess right but Thursday of this past week October 15th the Philadelphia medical examiner's office was called to the property and law enforcement s sol sources said that this was you know they were there to examine something of interest but by that afternoon and I'm sure you guys saw the headlines everywhere that hit the news all at the same time bones found at the house of horrors I tried But what happened is apparently and and just so yall know too, the medical examiner gets called when investigators find something that might be related to a body.

Okay? So if you find bones, you're going to call the medical examiner, especially in a case like this because anything that might be related to a body so they can collect it properly. They can take it back for examination, which is exactly the right thing to do. All right? Okay. And it and it unfortunately also that news uh blows up everywhere. Now in the same stretch while they were ripping out walls and floors inside the home, investigators found a safe and that safe was hidden in a wall.

Now from everything that I've read about a dozen articles, everything available on this, the reporting does seem a little split here. All right. CBS says that the safe contained documents. NBC reported that it has not been officially made clear what if anything was inside of it yet. No one official has said either what the documents were or what was found. A retired NYPD sergeant told NBC NBC that there are a lot of boring explanations like cash, drugs, movies, uh you know, whatever. Maybe even an an owner predating RC.

All of that is true and we simply don't know. But by Tuesday the 20th, just five days ago, law enforcement came out and said that, "Sorry guys, the backyard bones were animal bones. They were not human, the city's department of health actually had to put out a statement through its media arm saying, quote, "To this point, no human remains have been identified by MEO staff." So that has also been confirmed by NBC. So no human bones found in the house or in the yard. Now, Philadelphia police, okay, keep in mind they are not confirming or denying anything.

Their statement just says that the investigation is active and ongoing and they are not confirming reports either way. And then Tuesday night into Wednesday of this last week, one more thing, ABC actually came out and said that the investigators found adipacare during the investigation. And so let's let's talk about what that is. All right. Atypus is also called grave wax and it it forms from human body fat or body fat in general, but we're talking particularly in this case about humans. When a body or any fatty tissue ends up in a wet low oxygen environment like say saturated soil or a sealed container, water, that fat doesn't just rot in the normal way.

Instead, it goes through a process that's chemically pretty close to actually how soap gets made. I think a lot of people this is has been a common trope in many horror or serial killer films right but there is it is actually somewhat based in science the fat molecules break apart into fatty acids uh bacteria right that thrive without oxygen to help drive that reaction and what's left behind is this pale waxy crumbly substance it's grayish white in color sometimes it has a please forgive me y'all like a sour cheesy smell and it can take weeks to months to form And then once it does it can last for an extremely long time.

So there are cases where adapacaser has preserved the shape of a face of a human face for decades and it is actually I highly highly highly suggest you read up on this. There are books written about this and how it deals with crime and criminal cases. But it is one of the ways that dead people if especially if they've been buried or you know whatever um actually kind of stay findable. And a forensic geneticist from Arcadia University went on the interview and I found this fascinating.

They said that atypusair is tissue that can be used to identify a person. Right? The catch though is the DNA degradation. So if the DNA in it is say too broken down, getting a usable profile from the body, the grave wax actually becomes pretty difficult. But back as it relates to the only house headline. All right, adapacasera is not unique to humans, right? Like I said earlier, any animal with body fat, anything with body fat can form it. All right, and this is a backyard that had already produced at that point possum carcasses, animal bones, right?

So, until a lab says otherwise, guys, this is likely still, at least in my opinion. I don't know. It's not back yet, but it's probably from the animals. All right, but at this time, it's just another sample in the queue in the lab that is currently investigating all of these disgusting liquids and chemicals and sludges found in the basement or on the property of this home. So, Wednesday, October 21st, the search moved to the front yard and NBC described it as a small garden area in front of the duplex.

And then this past Friday on the 23rd, shortly before noon, they were done. Okay. About 3 weeks after the hazmat suits and the heavy equipment showed up, the FBI and Philadelphia police officially wrapped up their search of 417 West Avenue. That they took down the big green tent. The equipment is all gone and Fox News reported that the backyard has been cleared and leveled again. And the bottom line per per law enforcement sources is that there were no human remains found on that property. Lots of animal bones, weirdly, but no human bones.

And what they did leave with though is apparently quote a lot of things of interest from both inside and outside the house. Now, no one's saying what those things are yet. Obviously, they're going for forensic testing along with the human DNA from the lumininal work in the basement, okay? Which still has to be compared against the women connected to this house. And there are hundreds of them just as they've gotten so far in the uh 40 to 45, you know, percent of the uh the evidence review on the video and pictures.

And there's also still no public result on the adipacare either. So, what comes next then? Well, investigators, like I just said, go back to the videos and they're going to keep trying to reach women. And that's what that's another kink that's in this investigation as well. And I mentioned it on a previous episode, is that as they are going through this evidence and finding women and identifying people, they are actually reaching out to them directly to make sure that they're still alive. They're trying to make sure and and and en ensure that the women that they're seeing in these videos and pictures are alive.

Trying to get more information, see if any of these women know anything about it. And what not not getting political, I I promise you, but this is why law enforcement efforts in communities like these are so important because these women that are alive that may have appeared in a in an RC horse video or, you know, whatever photo, they some of them are actively refusing and hanging up on police. Some of them are actively refusing to speak to police or or lying and saying like, "I don't know anything about it or I'm not going to tell you." Because this apparently, don't forget, was an open secret.

Everyone in the area knew that RC Hors was batshit insane, that he was dangerous. You know, he would offer drugs for sexual photos and and videos and things like that. and nothing was ever done about it because again a lot of police efforts are steered away from women especially who fit that kind of victim profile. But in any case, okay, again, more than a million images and files and some of them apparently do show real life violence and murder. I think only one has been confirmed official so far.

And they're going to try to keep reaching women. That's it. Okay. A big part of this case was never in the dirt or from a house or from a wall or whatever, right? It's on the hard drives. Okay? And it's in the obviously the memories and the knowledge of the women who were there in that house and walked out of it alive. But two other things from Friday, Gabrielle Emirando's family left a photo of her outside of the house. And then after a few hours after investigators cleared out, apparently a man said that he was a relative of the Horsch family, showed up, declined to talk on camera, and then left the home carrying a stack of papers.

I don't know who he was or what the papers are for. All right, but in any case, we have now have a mystery member of the Horsch family there on the premises who visited. But after 3 weeks of federal agents, you know, taking that house apart from down to the studs, I'd really like to know what was still in that home worth picking up. You know what I mean? But one neighbor told Fox that the building should just be torn down. And yeah, probably agreed. With so much misery and awful [ __ ] that's happened in that house, it's now been gutted.

I mean, I would not be sad to see it go, but that is the update on the only house. All right. And a couple other threads here kind of moved as well. Uh, don't forget Eugene Horsch is arrested. He's currently in jail. He's awaiting trial. Well, his lawyer, Jerome Brown, gave an interview on the 16th, and he I mentioned this in the previous episode, and he called the investigation a runaway train. He said that it's the most unusual search anyone has ever seen, and that it comes with quote sensational claims.

Well, my brother in Christ. They found over a million things on a drive and of women being harmed and murdered. Like, bro, what what what do you think is going to happen there? But and Eugene lived in that house, too. Okay. But, uh, Brown said that he knew that RC had quote weird photographs where he recreated death scenes and he still never suspected him of actual murder. Bro, the man was staging death scenes. Okay, but Jer Jerome Brown is a defense attorney doing his job. All right, at the end of the day, mad respect to the defense attorneys.

Obviously, he's doing his job and his job is to make it look like a circus, right? That's just, you know, dragging Eugene along with it. But the part that actually kind of matters in this interview is that Brown said that he and Eugene are in a negotiation with the US attorney's office about Eugene's case. and he declined to say whether Eugene is answering questions from the federal investigators. So, negotiations, all right, on um apparently the gun and fake credentials case. While investigators do believe that Eugene likely knows a great deal about what his father was doing in that house, you know, I don't know what's in I don't I really don't know what they're putting on the table.

So, but that word is the one that I would watch is to see if Eugene is actually holding on to information to as leverage or did he really not know? I find that really hard to believe considering he was seemingly on the same life path. Now, for the record though, I have to say it. Eugene Horsch is charged with federal firearms and false credential offenses. He is not charged with anything heinously connected to the missing women. All right. Now, ABC also dug into the woman who was in the car with Eugene the night that he was arrested.

And court documents currently only identify her as a according to authorities. The park ranger, if you guys remember, the park ranger is the one that noticed the car. It was a black BMW. They heard a woman's voice inside say, "You're going to hurt me." So, kudos to this man. This lone park ranger is the entire and sole reason that this case blew open. So bless his bless his heart as we say here. So she is the one this at who was carrying Blair Tanelli's ID. Now she later told investigators that she was scared of the basement in that house because bad things happen down there to other people.

At has not been charged in the Eugene Horse case. And I will say this just flat out flat ass plainly. She has had a very very very very hard life by every single metric, right? Every account. neighbors also have opinions about her and none of that really changes the fact that this entire investigation exists because she was in that car and because the park ranger heard her say that out loud and if she she could have actually been the she could have been the reason this entire case blew open.

Just keep that in mind. Also, on the 19th, CBS talked to a woman who says that she hung out with Eugene almost every day for three years in high school. you know, back when the family lived in Bucks County in the other house. And don't forget, guys, at the end of this, don't forget that the only house isn't even the only house in this entire case. There is a whole ass other house. It's owned by a new um it's owned by someone new at this point.

But there was another house in Bucks County that, ding, ding, ding, has a safe they found in the wall that hasn't even been touched yet. But in any case, this woman described Eugene as very sweet. She said that his father was strict, always making him do projects, and that Eugene was embarrassed by his dad's porn career. She said the girls at school called RC Satan because he was really creepy. She says that uh she cut the family off after RC propositioned her at a car wash when she was 20 to be in one of his movies.

So, that also came out. RC being called Satan and propositioning his son's high school friend, former high school friend to be in his satanic porn films, you know, but where that's where only stands. Okay, no human remains identified. We have a positive lumininal reaction. We have positive human DNA. All of that has to be sorted. We have a safe from inside the wall and only we have a safe inside the wall of the home in Bucks County. We have a sample of grave wax that could be anything, animal or human.

We have drums, gallon and gallon and gallon and gallon drums of chemicals. We have sewer pipes, don't forget two, because they turned off the sewer connection. Um, we have sewer well they clogged one particular sewer connection and so they took those pipes and those are also at the federal lab. And we have Eugene Horsch in plea negotiations. Okay. So, the search ending, don't forget y'all, I think a lot of people will put so much weight on invest and active investigations, but the search ending is not the entire investigation ending.

All right? It just means that the shovels and the excavation and all that [ __ ] All that's done and now the waiting starts, the forensic analysis starts. So, that is the update on the only house. And I will obviously anything that happens in this case I will be doing an immediate episode and update on because it is it's so scary how RC Horsch was not some quiet covert quiet little man. He quite literally wrote a book about him as a serial killer. He described you know his home and only he described the like however many gallon big ass drums.

He described all of that. Wrote it all down. talked about it in interviews on podcasts and then well I didn't know you know but I will be here with every update for that. So now let's talk about Lindsay Clancy. All right Plymouth Massachusetts is where we're moving to. On Wednesday on the 21st Judge William Sullivan denied Kevin Readington's request for an evidentiary hearing into the hold out juror. Right. That's for those who don't remember that's Michael Desonville. He is the one juror out of 12 who would not join the other 11 in finding Lindseay Clancy not guilty by reason of insanity.

Okay, that is why the trial ended in a mistrial on my birthday, September 4th. But Readington wanted two things. All right, first he wanted a hearing on whether Deson was honest about his legal history during jury selection. And don't forget that the man has a lengthy court record, series of court records, right? There is a now dismissed 2021 domestic violence charge. There's an ongoing eviction proceeding currently against him. Uh an active restraining order connected to an incident with his nephew. There's a lot. And secondly, Readington wanted the judge to privately review his phone records 8:30 to 4:30 every single day of deliberations to see whether he was exposed to outside information.

But here's the problem for the defense, okay? And it is it is kind of a big it is kind of a big one is that it came out in the press, right? And that's to say that none of this information came out until after the mistrial and it it came out in the press. Sullivan's ruling basically says, well, a mistrial gets judged on what the judge knew when he declared it. and he cited Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court's ruling in Karen Reed's double jeopardy appeal which that said the exact same thing manifest necessity which is the legal standard for declaring a mistrial and it's measured in the moment information that surfaces after is I mean quote simply not relevant.

He also leaned on the rule that courts can't go poking into a juror's reasoning, their thought process or fights and, you know, disagreements with other jurors. So translation of that is Readington's double jeopardy argument is that Sullivan should have dug into the holdout before he pulled the plug on the trial. And Sullivan's kind of answer to this is, "Bro, no one raised any of this [ __ ] before I pulled the plug on it. So you don't get to, you know, go fishing now to try to figure it out. you didn't raise it at the time and legally that is obviously a very very hard wall to climb for him.

The motion to dismiss is actually still pending as well. You know, everybody is going to be coming back into court on November 2nd when Sullivan has also told both sides to come ready to talk about a retrial. Now, Dramville, the the hold out juror, you know, for his part, it was so unsurprising. He went on Fox News and he says that he stands by his vote. He denies lying on his juror questionnaire. He says that jurors only use their phones on breaks, not during deliberations. And his lawyers have called Readington's request a looney tunes motion.

And they say that they plan to file a bar complaint against Readington. So, this has fully left the courtroom and become a cable news blood feud, guys. Which is exactly what what which is exactly what the freaking Lindsey Clansancy case needed, right? This is a case about a woman's psychiatric collapse and we need this clown show and clown car on top of it. But that being said, all right, the Plymouth County DA Tim Cruz, he still hasn't said whether he's going to retry Lindseay Clancy on first-degree murder.

Meanwhile, all right, there was a new UMass Amherst poll conducted by Yuggov and they did it with 852 registered Massachusetts voters that took place between October 5th and October 12th. Found 49% think the state should retry her. 49% of the state of those pled think that the state should retry her and 25% want the case to be dismissed. the rest don't know. And I find that kind of interesting. And you know, also want it's obviously completely freaking irrelevant. All right. Obviously, but it is kind of interesting.

Okay. Whether to retry a woman for murder is not supposed to be a focus group, first of all, and there was a law professor quoted in the coverage and he said, "Well, the public has always been deep, deeply skeptical of insanity defenses." Okay? And that's a fact about the public. All right? But it's not a fact about Lindsay Clancy's brain in 2023. But I would like to make the the the point again, okay, especially for anyone just tuning in or just joining, is that Lindsay Clancy does not deny that she strangled her children.

Kora, don't forget five, Dawson, three, Callen, eight months old. She has never denied it. All right. Her defense is that when she was in postpartum psychosis, and at that point, she couldn't tell right from wrong. And prosecutors argue that she was mentally ill. Yeah. But she still knew what she was doing. So as of this moment, Lindsey Clancy remains charged. She hasn't been retrieded yet. And she currently remains in a state psychiatric hospital until this is sorted out. But again, she's not never going to walk out of prison.

Well, she can't walk. She's currently in a wheelchair after her suicide attempt. But I haven't seen this amount of support. I thought Karen Reed had a lot of support at one point in her trial. obviously a lot of detractors, but she had a lot of supporters as well. And then the Lindsy Clancy case happened and it is going to be an absolute circus and carnival uh in November when we start discussing the potential for a retrial. But in any case, let's move on to the case that I mentioned in the cold open of this episode.

And let's start with the person that this particular case is actually about. All right? because she is typically the one as with so many victims who actually get lost under all of the other craziness. So, the name is Girly Chu and she was born on August 27th, 1963 in Georgetown in Malaysia. She was small, 5'1, about 95 lbs and that's according to her missing person's profile. According to accounts of the case, she met an American man while visiting the San Diego aquarium. He told her that he was a doctor, a geneticist.

He kept writing to her after she went home to Malaysia and eventually she moved to New Mexico to be with him and she did in fact end up marrying him and his name as far as anyone knew in Albuquerque was Dazian Hosen. Now his actual name was Armand Chavez and he was from Houston, Texas. He was not a doctor of anything. He prosecutors would later go on to describe him as an accomplished con man and that is putting it lightly you guys. The man was an absolute piece of garbage.

He was an absolute [ __ ] trash can. And over the years, he represented himself as a geneticist, as a heart surgeon, as an operative of the National Security Agency, NSA, and to at least one girlfriend that's been confirmed. He said that he was ex CIA. I mean, he has a face that you want to touch with a fist if you look him up. Read the story. This this story is actually [ __ ] insane. All right. Now, Gurley worked as a bank teller in Alb Al Albuquerque.

The marriage ended up turning abusive, and in January of 1999, she moved out of their house in Northeast Heights and started divorce proceedings against him. During that process, she found out what everyone else eventually finds out and discovers about men who do this [ __ ] His name was fake. The medical career, everything was fake. Everything about him was fake. And she told her co-workers that he was threatening her and that she was afraid of him. Remember that, okay? She actually told people. She told people that he was abusing her.

She told people that she was scared of him. She did this multiple multiple multiple times. Meanwhile, Dazian, he was getting busy. In 1999, while he was still legally married to Gurley, he was apparently engaged to three different women at the same time. And one of those women was Linda Henning. Linda was born on October 10th, 1953. And in 1999, she was in her mid4s. She was a former fashion model and fashion designer. She'd been engaged to someone else, a man who later said that he'd actually tried to warn her about Dazian.

And according to CNN reporting at that time, she met Daazian that summer at a seminar run by David Ike. If you don't know who David Ike is, he is a nuttier than a [ __ ] house rat British conspiracy theorist who is pretty much responsible for Have you guys ever heard of the uh theory that everybody in power is a reptilian? I forgot off the top of my head and I am so exhausted. Please forgive me. remember uh the online community most of MAGA was on and they had all of these it's where the children being trafficked in wayfair cabinets and the pizza parlor sex uh predators and all of that [ __ ] He's also responsible for all of that [ __ ] All right.

Well, he believes that the world is completely secretly run by shape-shifting reptilian aliens. And if you go to any, he's still kicking and he's all over YouTube pedalling this [ __ ] Vice News has even interviewed and done a full episode on this man. I don't know why. Like I said, he is crazier than a [ __ ] house rat. I truly do not understand. Truly do not understand. But in any case, he gets a a lot of press on this. I mean, he does seem to agree that the world is round, which case sapa there, but the man is insane in in my opinion at least.

All right. But in any case, that's where these two, Dazian and Linda, found each other at a lizard people seminar. All right, so he's a pathological liar. He walked into right into a room full of people who had already paid a lot of money to be told that the world was secretly run by aliens that look like reptiles that shapeshifted into humans. And he found the one person most willing to believe everything he said. And she did believe it. She ate it up. She dumped her fiance at the time and got engaged to Dazian just within a couple weeks.

In testimony at her trial described the way that she saw the world in general at that time. And I'm going to give it to you straight, y'all. She told a friend that she'd seen reptilian emblems on the freeway that were actually time and space vortexes which could be activated at any time. She said that during sex, she and Dazian generated so much energy that they both transformed into cat-like creatures with things. That's what we're dealing with here. All right. And according to accounts of the case, Daen told Linda that Girly, his, you know, tiny, frightened, a strange little wife who worked at a bank, was a reptilian queen.

He called her an alien that needed to be gotten rid of. And I'm not laughing at Linda Henning's illness, okay? I want to make that explicitly clear. The target here is a man who looked at a woman whose grip on reality was already gone, was already slipped the [ __ ] off, and he saw a victim. All right? He didn't need to be a doctor. He just needed to be the most confident person in that room about reptilians, saying the craziest [ __ ] to the person who was least capable of mentally pushing back on it.

All right? And he accomplished that. So on September 9th, 1999, girly Chu Hosen Craftoft finished her shift at the bank and went home to her apartment and then she was never seen again. The next morning, September 10th, she didn't show up for work. And that's not who she was. You know, her co-workers, like we see in so many other cases, they are the ones who reported her missing that same day. And when police asked people, you know, hey, who might want to hurt her? Every single person told them Dazian.

So police went to her apartment and investigators smelled bleach. Someone had cleaned it. So they brought in that luminal, you know, the same chemical that I just talked about in Philadelphia, and the apartment lit the [ __ ] up. Pulls of blood someone had tried to wipe away. There were definite signs of a struggle. When police went to Dazian's house, the front door was open and the place had been completely cleared out. Daen was gone and he was later arrested in Charleston, South Carolina. He did in fact make it all the way across the country.

And then evidence started turning up out of the desert in New Mexico uh on Highway 60 near Magdalena, a couple of hours south of Albuquerque. By the way, investigators found a tarp, a blouse, a pair of shorts, and duct tape with long strands of dark hair stuck to it. Girly's DNA was all over all of those items, as well as her blood. What they never found was her body. Now, the case against Linda Henning, let's start there because that's who I'm mentioning here. All right. Police talked to her on September 12th, just three days after Gurley vanished.

She'd been listed on a personal um as a personal reference for Daen. She told them that she believed he was an accomplished doctor. She knew nothing about Gurley's disappearance. She said that she didn't know where he was and she didn't expect to see him again. Then the lab results came back and this is where the floor dropped out from under her. Inside Girly's apartment, investigators had a handful of blood stains clean enough to test. Six small stains on the carpet and a smear on the couch.

Two of those carpet stains were giries. Four of the carpet stains and the smear on the couch matched to Linda Henning. Prosecutors would later call her blood in the apartment the most damning evidence they had. And it kept going. Her hair on the duct tape found by the highway. Glitter on the tarp that matched glitter from her apartment because again fashion designer, right? Cat hair in Girly's apartment. Girly didn't own a cat. Linda Henning owned many cats. There was a sword, a ninja style sword that according to the investigation, Dazian bought on the day that Gurley disappeared and that was later recovered in the attic of Linda Henning's home.

And another detail I just want to put out because it matters for later. According to the summary of the court record in one of her later appeals, Linda Henning had sworn that she'd never met Gurley. She had never been inside her apartment. She said that Dazian had never drawn her blood. Keep that in mind. Now, Linda Henning was arrested for perjury on October 29th, 1999 for lying to the grand jury. On November 17th, she and Dazian were both indicted for first-degree murder. And a third person, a friend of Linda's named Bill Miller.

Will well, he was also accused in connection with the case. Prosecutors said that they were conspirators and had tried to recruit someone to abduct Gurley before she disappeared. Well, Linda Henning stayed in custody for 27 years until this past Friday. Because you see, in January of 2002, Deasian Hosenov took a plea deal to get the death penalty off the table. He was sentenced to life plus 60 years, and he did not exactly go away quietly. All right. At his sentencing, he talked about girly in a way that still makes me actively want to vomit.

He said that she knew she was going to be hunted like the dog she was. That's just one of many things he said as he he shouted. I mean, that's who he was. All right. That's how he spoke about the woman that he'd hit, he cheated on, he lied to. And by his own admission and plea, killed. All right. Now, he's still in prison in New Mexico at this moment. Well, a few years ago, he filed more than 400 pages asking a judge to throw out his own plea.

He claimed that prosecutors and Albuquerque police hid evidence that would have cleared both him and Linda, because of course he did, right? a a a a con man of his magnitude can can completely be trusted. But that being said, that fall, Linda Henning went to trial alone by herself. They were not tried together, and the state actively sought the death penalty against her. Okay? And this is the part that, knowing what we know now, is a freaking horror movie. Her defense team, okay, was led by a prominent New Mexico defense attorney named Gary Mitchell.

And they built their case around one single witness. Can you guess who that is? Daen Hosenov. The man who just pleaded guilty to killing Girly took the stand for Linda's defense and he said that she had nothing to do with it. He blamed Bill Miller for the actual killing and then he tried to explain away the blood entirely. And his story went a little like this. He said that he went to Gurley's apartment. He found that people had um he had arranged had in his words messed up and there was blood everywhere.

So he decided to contaminate the scene. He drove back to his own place in Linda Henning's car which he said that he borrowed and he got a refrigerated vial of blood from an unidentified woman which he planned to mix with bleach and spread around to confuse the investigators. But apparently the vial broke in his pocket when he sat down in the car. So, he grabbed a different vial from his refrigerator and it happened to be a vial of Linda Henning's blood. He said that uh he mixed it with bleach and planted it assuming bleach would make it untraceable.

That was his defense. That was in essence Linda Henning's defense. All right. U you know, Dazian apparently kept blood vials of his girlfriend's blood in the refrigerator and then he testified that he accidentally framed her with it. Okay. You know, prosecutors obviously called that absurd and insane. They called it a twisted account invented to protect her. And remember what Linda herself had sworn earlier, that Deasian never took her blood. Her own defense was built on a story that contradicted her own sworn word. And obviously the jury didn't buy it, okay?

Because on October 25th, 2002, they convicted Linda Henning of firstdegree murder, kidnapping, conspiracy, criminal solicitation, tampering with evidence, and perjury. Then they heard the penalty phase, and they spared her life. All right. So in 2003, she was sentenced to 73 and a half years. There's also one more piece from that era that I'm going to give you because it is part of the public record on this case and because I think the the second if you are interested in this case which I highly highly highly recommend that you give it a little bit more reading.

I'm just giving you the top level version. It is absolutely crazier as you pull back the layers. So after the trial, the lead prosecutor told Court TV that Henning had told at least four people, two inmates and two nurse practitioners, that she had eaten girly chews flesh. He said that he chose not to present that at trial to avoid sensationalizing the case because obviously that would blow the [ __ ] up all over the world. So guys, that is a prosecutor's claim made after the verdict about statements the jury never heard during the trial.

All right. Now that her conviction is gone, it's worth even less. Okay. And frankly, if it's true that she said that, it lines up a lot better with a woman in psychosis than with a woman who you understood what was happening to her at the time. The case became a national spectacle at the time. Some of you may remember it. I don't. Court TV carried it. Dine did it. A&E did it. Oxygen did it. Um Mark her, a former TV reporter, he covered the trial extensively.

He wrote a book about it called September Sacrifice. And last week, her told KOB something, I mean, that kind of hits differently now based on the news that came out at the time. He said by the time of the trial, Linda Hen uh Henning presented very well in court and she never testified. But the day that she was first brought in after her arrest, she was in excruciatingly thin. Her head was down. She was in cuffs. And when he asked why her head was down, she told him to go to hell.

So, she looked fine in court. All right. But I think we all know that that is the problem with competency, right? A person can comb their hair, sit up straight, nod at the right moments sometimes when they know that they're supposed to while their mind is somewhere else entirely. We know that competency isn't always ABC123. And for the next two decades, Linda Henning kept trying to get a new trial, a federal habius petition, appeals. Her old lawyer said that she tried and tried and tried and tried.

None of it worked until Monday, this last Monday, October 19th. Second judicial uh district judge Cindy Leos ordered a new trial. She was citing due process violations in effective assistance of counsel. Her current attorney, Nicholas Hart, pointed to at least two psychiatric reports finding Lena Henning had severe mental disorders that made it impossible for her to understand the charges against her. reporting on the hearing says that her trial lawyers knew that she had been diagnosed with schizophrenia and did not tell the court. And this is where the judge basically, I mean, I hate this cliche phrase, but they, you know, said the the quiet part out loud.

The judge found that Linda Henning was so severely delusional that she did not believe that she was responsible for or even involved in Girly Hosenov's killing. She believed that she was being prosecuted because she possessed those magical golden discs that I mentioned earlier and that the state wanted to recover them for the aliens. Then the judge asked the question that ended the conviction entirely. How can she rationally assist her attorney given that she didn't even think she was involved in the crime? And that is the right question.

And that's because in 1960 and I I I want to give you a little context in terms of what that is ba what that legal question is based on. Okay, back in 1960 there was a case called Dusky versus United States. This US Supreme Court set the test in this case for competency to stand trial. A defendant has to have a rational as well as factual understanding of the proceedings against them and enough present ability to consult with their lawyer with a reasonable degree of rational understanding.

After that, 6 years later in Pate versus Robinson, the court said that when there's a real doubt about a defendant's competency, due process requires the court to investigate it, to look into it. So trying an incompetent person is a constitutional violation. full [ __ ] stop. Now, notice what the test is not. All right? And it's not what were you saying when the crime happened? No. That's insanity. Think, you know, that's Lindsay Clancy. All right? Competency is about right now in the courtroom. Do you know what you're charged with?

Do you know who the judge is? Do you know who your lawyer is? Do you know who the prosecutor is? Do you know what a plea deal is? Do you understand your plea deal? Can you actually effectively work with your lawyer? Can you tell them what happened? Can you help them decide whether to call the man who kept your blood in his refrigerator as your star witness? If you answer to why are you here, you know, if your answer to why are you here is because the government wants my golden discs, obviously you can't, right?

You're physically present at your own capital murder trial, but you are completely absent in mind and understanding and competency. And the part that really pisses me the [ __ ] off on this case is that somebody on her side at that time knew. Okay. And Hart's argument this last week was that Gary Mitchell believed that Linda Henning had paranoid schizophrenia and never raised competency. He never did at the time of the original trial because he was worried that she'd fire him and he thought that he was good enough to win without her help.

Now obviously Mitchell rejects that, right? And in fairness to him, there's, you know, here's his side. All right, let's just cover his side. He told KO that he's never worried about losing clients. He says that Linda Henning didn't want to be looked at as incompetent. He says that he had a neuro psychologist who said that she was competent and the state had a psychologist who said that she was also competent. So, he didn't have much choice. He claims. He also said that he's glad that she's getting a new trial and thinks that she's she never should have been convicted and that he doesn't care that they're blaming him.

All right. Sure. Sure, friend. Let's just take you at your word, okay? But here is what is actually still true here. A woman who believed that she turned into a fanged cat creature during sex with Dazian, who believed the freeway had time portals on it, who believed that she would was being tried over golden discs, went through a death penalty trial with no one telling the court there was a question about whether she understood any of it. Maybe it was ego, you know, maybe it was a client who didn't want the label.

Maybe it was two experts who got it completely wrong. But the system, guys, is supposed to have guard rails for exactly this, right? And the guardrail is not, well, the defendant didn't want to seem nuts. Of course, she didn't, right? That's frequent frequently what serious psychotic illness looks like from the inside. Like, you don't think you're sick. You think everyone else is missing the proverbial golden discs. You know what I mean? The state was ready to execute this woman, right? Like to me, that's the headline of this entire case is that the state was ready to put this woman to death if it had just gone a little bit differently.

That very well could have happened. Okay, but in any case, before I get on my absolute soapbox about this, where are we now? Well, a new trial order wipes out the conviction entirely. Legally, Linda Henning is back to being a person accused of a crime and not convicted of one. Her lawyer asked for her release pending a new trial. Prosecutors fought it tooth and nail. A deputy DA, Peter Robertson, argued that a jury convicted her in 2002 and she should stay locked up until she is tried again.

But prosecutors also asked for an ankle monitor, and they pointed to 17 reports they said showed a pattern of concerning behavior. On Friday, October 23rd, Judge Leo said no to all of it. She said that the state hadn't shown that Linda Henning is a danger. and the incident at the heart of this case was almost 30 years ago and that a lot of those reported incidents were minor. In her direct words, direct quote, "She is not convicted of anything at this point." And when she responded on the ankle monitor, she said, "I don't ever order ankle ankle monitors." And the conditions set for Linda are basic.

Don't break the law, don't drink alcohol, don't take illegal drugs, and don't have any contact with victims or witnesses. That's it. Her lawyer said that she'd have a suitable place to live and some money to get started. And the corrections department said that it was working on finding her somewhere to go. Y'all, after 27 years, can you imagine the logistics of letting a 73year-old woman out of prison, you know, apparently that they still had to figure out on the fly. They still had to figure this out on the fly.

And this by this previous Friday, there's been reports that she'd been released. The DA's office still hasn't said whether it will try her again, and there is no next court date reported as being on the docket. According to KOB News, she's expected to undergo a competency evaluation before the case goes anywhere at all. And then the judge also said something on Friday that kind of tells you, I mean, not necessarily a predictor, but in terms of how a retrial might go. And the direct quote from the judge was, "I'm not sure at this point, almost 30 years later, how much evidence still exists against Miss Henning." And she's not wrong, y'all.

If the state does try to retry her, look at what they'd be walking into. A killing from 1999, nobody. A key defendant who is a documented con man lying sack of [ __ ] and who now claims that he was framed, too. We have physical evidence that's been sitting for a quarter of a century. and reporting at the time indicated that the DNA testing on the crime scene blood consumed the all of those samples. Right. Okay. So, what that means is that there may not even be anything left for anyone to retest.

Not to mention Linda Henning, who is now 73 years old. Before anyone can try her again, though, she'd have to be found competent now. And if she isn't, she can't be tried at all until she's restored, if she even can be. And none of which, right, none of this tells you what Linda Henning did or didn't do back in 1999. Her old lawyer says that she didn't kill anyone and didn't even help. A jury of 12 people looked at the blood on that carpet on the hair, you know, uh, the hair on the tape as well, and said, "No, we disagree." That question is now open again.

But what isn't open is that 2002 trial was never even a fair thing. It wasn't a fair shake for her because the woman in the chair who was sitting there actively wasn't even mentally in the damn room, right? And through all of it, right? Through the aliens and the cat people and the sex and the vials and the golden discs and the TV specials by every channel imaginable, there is still a woman here who's been missing for 27 years. Right. I think it's safe to say most likely based on the evidence, I mean, deductive reasoning and all of that that she is gone and no longer with us.

But it's just a it's just such a sad, heinous case all the way around. Regardless of from what direction or how you even look at it, it is just sad. But in any case, guys, one more. And this one happened here in Nashville. Let's talk about Christa Pike, okay? Because Wednesday, September 30th, right, I'm just going to do really quick recap for those in the back. Wednesday, September 30th, Riverbin Maximum Security Institution, the state here, Yamas State, Tennessee, is about to execute Christa Pike. Again, the only woman on its death row for the 1995 murder of 19-year-old JobCore student named Colleen Slimmer.

And this happened in Knoxville. Now, it would be the first time that Tennessee has actually executed a woman in 200 years. That's why it made especially here locally just such constant constant constant news. So that morning right the federal appeals court for the sixth circuit they paused it. They paused it 2 to1 about an hour before she was about to be executed. They ran to the US Supreme Court. A bunch of [ __ ] happened and the Supreme Court basically announced that they lifted the stay.

Obviously, Justice Soayor and Kagan and Jackson, the three liberals in the bench, obviously dissented. Thank you. So, they went ahead. They attempted to execute Christa Pike and they failed. The state put Fina Barbatal into Christa Pike's body twice and she did not die. Bad veins. You can listen to the previous episode. I have a whole handful of them if you want to know the actual scientific specifics of what happened with that Bosch execution. But y'all, she's alive. As of this week, according to her lawyer, she is now walking on her own and speaking in full sentences.

In Tennessee, we're still trying to figure out what do you do with a woman that you actually tried to execute. Guys, they injected her twice in the two different times and she lived through it. Apparently, it caused massive scarring on her tissue. Her veins blew and it, you know, the phenobarbatl went into her actual body. You can again listen to the uh previous episode for an exact breakdown. But according to the death penalty information center, she is the very first person in the world in history to have survived a lethal injection after actually being given the drugs.

Okay, that is that is fact. So let's talk let let's move forward. She's been recovering in the hospital. Let's move forward to this week. All right. So on Thursday, Spivey sworn declaration, the one I've been quoting, was filed as new evidence in a separate lawsuit brought by several Tennessee death row prisoners challenging Pinto Barbarbat. The lawsuit argues that it carries a high risk of torturous torturous death and asked the court to bar it entirely. Spivey called what he saw cruel and torturous and the state has moved to dismiss that case and says again that the protocol was followed exactly because we love nothing more here in Tennessee than torturing people. it.

Don't get me started. But this past Thursday, too, Chrisa Pike's lawyers told TMZ that she's now walking on her own, speaking in full sentences, and making what they're calling remarkable strides. They've also said that she still has cognitive problems, including trouble remembering some things, and serious psychological trauma. Yeah, no [ __ ] And that her arms have finally regained some movement. Now, in Christ Pike's own lawsuit, her lawyers had been given 30 days to amend their complaint. They've asked for four additional months and they're saying that they need time to understand just how badly she was injured.

There was a hearing to discuss that that was set for this upcoming Friday and it's actually been taken off the docket. The judge will decide, you know, on the paperwork part of that though and her lawyers are still asking Governor Lee of Tennessee to commute her sentence to life without parole. That is not going to happen. I live in a Republican hellscape where we want to execute everyone. So, Governor Lee could have, you know, stepped in as well and he did not. So, that is a road to nowhere.

Now, no new executions date has been set and the state hasn't said whether it will try her again. But, can they, and that's something that I see people talking about online, can they actually botch her execution, cause her insane damage and torture, torturous conditions, and then try again? And legally, probably yes. In 1946, Louisiana put 17-year-old Willie Francis in the electric chair. It malfunctioned. He actually survived. The US Supreme Court, and it's a case called Louisiana uh Francis v. Resweber, and they decided that a second attempt did not violate the Constitution because the first one failed by accident.

Louisiana did actually go on to execute Willie Francis in 1947. And it's happened in the modern era, too. If 1947 is too far away from you, let's move to 2009. Ohio couldn't find a vein on Raml Broom back in 2009 and gave up after about two hours. Gave up. The Ohio Supreme Court said, "Nope, you guys get back in there and try again." It never did. And he actually ended up dying of COVID in prison in 2020. Alabama's attempt on Doyle Ham in 2018 failed and the state agreed never to try again.

Alabama's attempt on Kenneth Smith failed in 2022 and in 2024 the state went back and killed him with nitrogen gas. And I've said it once and I'll say it again. I am very vocal and very out loud and proud about this. I This should not surprise anyone. I don't believe the state should have the power to kill its citizens. I I truly do not. Not for Chrisa Pike. Not for anybody. You know, life in prison is a real punishment. And Chrissa Pike was getting it. She had already done 31 freaking years in prison.

And I don't say that because I find her to genuinely be a sympathetic person because I don't believe that she is. Do I think that she magically transformed and reformed into a pious Christian who does so much good behind bars? Do I think that's possible for someone? Yes. But people who have been in the prison, whether through an employee or through the prison as an inmate, have very vocally said, even before this mess happened, that no, she is a horrible person. And so I would say that that is probably the likeliest scenario here.

Okay? But I'm saying that I don't believe that the state should have the power to kill its citizens because of what we did just watch, right? The same government that can't reliably get a [ __ ] IV into a vein wants to be trusted with the single most irreversible decision that a government can make. It tried, it failed, it called it deeply disturbing. And then the people who run it now, you know, like they're now talking about the electric chair. When a failed execution sends people looking for a faster method instead of asking whether to do this at all, that tells you which question they think matters, you know, and the people that this hurt the most aren't even the ones talking at the capital.

Colleen Slimmer's mother, May Martinez, she was there that night. She traveled up to Nashville. She needed donations to drive from Florida, I believe it was, to Nashville. She was hoping to finally see the sentence carried out, right? She was very pro-death penalty in putting uh Chris Pike to death. Understandably so, right? With the pain that she was carrying. Okay. The very next day, she told the Associated Press, "I didn't get justice for my daughter." Colleen's niece, Morgan Seely, she was born years after Colleen died. She never even got to meet her.

Said, "I wish I could have met her." And she said that her grandmother, you know, Colleen's mother, May, was crying the entire day after. Now, I admittedly disagree with May Martinez about the death penalty. Okay, that does not make in my that doesn't make her grief smaller. It doesn't make her wrong to want it. 31 years after her daughter was killed in the state of Tennessee promised her, right, promised her a resolution. Okay? Then it put her through this. She still doesn't have a resolution here.

All right? No one really does if you think about it. But that's where we are on the Chrisa Pike case, y'all. Apparently, she's walking again. She's able to speak again. She's regaining control of her arm. And so, it is going to be fascinating from a legal perspective how exactly her case winds through the system and where we're going to end up here because I don't know. I mean, my state is bloodthirsty enough with I mean, again, it is a far-right state. So, I mean, they are totally fine with the death penalty, whereas this wouldn't be happening in say Vermont, Massachusetts, Oregon, you know, anywhere like that.

So, I don't know where we're going to end up, but it is fascinating to watch how it moves through the legal system as well. So, I will definitely be providing updates on that as they come down the pike. But that is it for today, y'all. On the next episode, I will be back with an update on the Matthew Farwell trial over the death of Sandra Burmore. So [snorts] much stuff. I haven't honestly that's kind of why I chose to do a generic news update today because we have so much stuff going on at one time and I have not had all the time that I would like to go through the text messages and information that has been made public by the people who are in the Mathwell Farwell trial.

So I still need to play catchup myself which I will be doing and have an episode probably out by Tuesday for that. Again, in that case, Farwell has pleaded not guilty, and I'm going to go just do a, you know, a full update on where the trial currently stands and any big information that has come out. And I don't know exactly why I'm even bothering to be honest with you, because it is very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very clear that Matthew Farwell did it in my opinion, allegedly.

You know what I mean? Based on the evidence that has has come out. But in any case, guys, thank you so much for listening. I sincerely appreciate it. Again, thank you for the longer than anticipated uh or hanging through rather the longer than anticipated delay. Again, you can listen to the show quite seriously anywhere you can potentially listen to podcast. I think there are 17 or 18 various platforms there on social media, Instagram, We Saw the Devil podcast. You can follow me personally, The Food I Eat, The Adventures of Myself and my wife, all of my 405 animals at Robin_WSTD.

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